Ex-Cheaters should not be moderators because they undermine the moderator team BUT there should always be a chance for reform.
This is why when initially they released the Role Mods , i through it would be great idea.
Role moderators would be a rolemodel for all Ex-Cheaters and banned users that have redeemed themselves, and now are part of the team.. But not as moderators , but as role moderators that catch other cheaters and help the community.
This is what Role Mods should have been. Not some kind of recruitment program but a redemption for ex-cheaters without giving them full power.
A reformed cheater would be someone who is sorry about what they've done, admits it, apologizes, does their best to improve their image after the fact and will blatantly never make that mistake again.
As compared to someone who is unapologetic (like Sidekick who dedicated her profile to people she stole trophies from during cheated runs) and laughs it off constantly without and regret, all while attempting to cheat under the nose of moderators once again. Refuses to apologize. That would be someone who hasn't reformed.
If anything, wouldn't this drive us as moderators to investigate users for cheating even more than usual considering they also have the opportunity to become moderators themselves? For the integrity of the site, modding current cheaters would be a disaster, therefore the opportunity being open allows us to be hyper-aware of people who may be next in line and investigate them thoroughly.
I don't want to make this about you poser, honestly I don't. I really don't care who is on the mod team right now or who is the admin, just don't mod cheaters anymore because we all know how mods get modded and how people get positions on this site and that's fine I'm cool with it. Just dont mod cheaters from this point and on it does more harm than good
If you seriously think that modding cheaters makes cheating have less stigma you are wrong. Isn't there an ongoing joke about the round being paused to investigate on day 10?! Clearly cheating is still a big deal otherwise that'd never happen.
I agree, I think people who cheat are disregarding the site and the work put into it, that's literally why I investigate cheating because it's bad for the site and disrespectful to us not to mention a rule that is broken often.
However, this is mostly going to turn into a debate of "Can people change?" and there are always negative nancys who will say NO to that whether its Epicmafia users, IRL people or anything. If you think people can change, then you should believe cheaters can be moderators IF they are different people.
It's not like I just came in unbanned and got modded off the top, I was on a leash, then invited into being a role mod and I spent a good chunk of time finding cheaters, banned users, etc - I earned my trust and gave back to the site before I was even allowed a voluntary position. I believe the same should be extended to users who have cheated before considering it's debatable on whether they are different or not.
This isn't a debate whether lucid/admins should allow mods. This is a debate where the community decides whether we all as a whole frown on the idea of a cheater being a mod or not. Personally, I frown upon it heavily. 1. A person who cheated has mediocre moral standards. 2.Modding a cheater gives cheating legitimacy.
Rather than judging me as a person the point is to realize that people change and I'm sure there are plenty of users on this site who have went under the radar with their cheating and manage to still use it as a weapon to insult former cheaters. So you really can't be sure who has and hasn't done anything, it's more like do you see someone messing up again in the future? And it's abundantly clear that I wouldn't cheat again.
That's fine by you and if you have a problem with it you are free to take it up with the admin but given that lucid has allowed Togepi to be admin knowing very well she did cheat for gold trophies, there's not much you can say to change the ways of the site. Cheating happens, we do our best as moderators to stop it and undo the harm done to the site. Is it bad? Yes. People change though. Togepi was a good admin.
You may not trust what I say, but I'd never say anything I don't mean. Trust is something you'd likely only extend to your friend who is a mod. I've probably gotten over 40 cheaters banned since I have joined this site, I can't even think about how many DQ's I've been involved in, you can call it a flex if you want (hehe haha hoho) but I've done a ton of good for this site and I'm sure that my good outweighs the bad at this point given I've spent entire days reading rounds as a role mod/real mod plenty of times now. You can't say I appeared out of nowhere, I was probably just banned when you came around into competitive, I was around for a very long time and well known.
You know I'll just be blunt here, I don't want to have a moderator that cheated not once twice or thrice but four times for a pixel trophies. I would never trust your motives or any word you say even though you might have a wonderful personality and be the most amazing chick ever. The moment you cheat, you the thing called integrity. You just lose it, poof, it's gone. And you need to work very very hard for a long period of time to rebuild that sort of reputation which you didn't do. You appeared out of nowhere and got modded shortly after, I haven't seen you in games I haven't seen you much on the forums either.
@john Perhaps you should admit that you dislike me the most because I've directly affected you in the past, which I apologize for and am sorry about doing. I don't appreciate that you call me a snake, I'm a very honest person who strides to do well for this site. A lot of people you named above have cheated, broken severe game violations or done something underhanded that you'd generally look down upon. By that logic, many of the people who have done wonderful things for the site may have never existed.
example: Eris made eriscache, we'd never have Arcbell who made monocle if not for eriscache existing at one point therefore less able to find banned users, cheating etc.
Ive just called you out for the lying cheating snake that you are.
I have the greatest respect for the mods:
Edark and Nathan are great admins with great temperament. I don't know Edark personally but Nathan is a good friend and a great guy all around.
Hedger is a great down to earth guy whos great to play em and other games with, im sure hes a stand up mod.
Cody is an extremely hard worker and I respect his dedication very much, also a good friend and a smart and nice guy.
swan is one of the nicest gals around and I dont think anyone could say anything negative about her.
Arcbell is one of the most resourceful and intelligent mods. I respect him greatly and hes always done me favours.
Gerry is a good friend of mine, hes completely by the book, tries to be fair and also gets along great with the community.
Pamda is also very smart, very nice and funny. I love the banter I have with her and think shes a good mod.
The rest of the mods I dont know personally but have no issue and have never harassed them.
So dont you f*cking dare say that all i've done is harassed these good people.
I won't tolerate your lies Poser. The only one i've called out is you. I've called you out for being a cheater which is a fact, a liar which is a fact and a fraud which is a fact.
It is not harassment it is the truth.
So please take your self righteous ego out of here.
1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness. ----------------------------------------------
I agree with you, yes. The only problem is that this is not followed on many levels, not just in terms of who cheats or OPIs or anything, rather just plenty of immoral people can get moderated depending on how luck strikes them that month. Given that we have edark, that situation has been washed away, but in the past "integrity" has been long gone among some people. We must praise Lucid for giving us two wholesome admins.
The issue is not whether someone has made a mistake before, quite frankly it's impossible to not make a mistake whether it's a rule on the site or something generally distasteful that isn't in the rules as long as you've been here more than 3+ years. It's that you're a changed person who not only has the experience but the maturity, skill and ability to set aside childish things in order to give back to a site that you love and has done well for you. Many people cannot do that.
2nd Round - Debate
