over 8 years

greetings epicmafia community,

i think we need a good discussion on US foreign policy

every now and then (actually often), bernie-supporting basement-dwellers always start saying how the US is a war-mongering nation.

especially now, as the US has increased its presence in eastern europe unprecedented since the cold war.

what is everyone's thoughts?


Current Topic:

Russian belligerence:

  1. Annexation of Crimea
  2. Shifting Georgian border lines
  3. Giving away of Russian military gear (eg. Malaysia Airlines crash)
United States
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cheney made money off the iraq war
over 8 years
I don't know which is worse, the upcoming US administration or this poll.
over 8 years

Chaika says

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/11/magazine/isis-middle-east-arab-spring-fractured-lands.html?_r=0

Thought this was an interesting read for those interested in some middle eastern affairs.


Requoting because it's a very long read, but still worthwhile.
over 8 years
i think we should wage war on every country and draft all epicmafia users, minors and all
over 8 years
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/11/magazine/isis-middle-east-arab-spring-fractured-lands.html?_r=0

Thought this was an interesting read for those interested in some middle eastern affairs.
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Talking about HRC is fair game when you're talking about foreign policy, since she'll have influence over it if she wins.

Also, saying that the other person is dumb and therefore isn't true is a tactic of a SJW, are you a SJW Terrence?
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tl;dr the state department and the kremlin have a mutual bogeyman dynamic to distract their respective populations from more pressing domestic issues.
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the illusion of brinkmanship has always been a tool to flex hard power. notice how there have been no direct MIDs between russia and the US and the odds are astronomical that there ever will be. all that's happening is proxy engagement (see: syria) to create a false right-wing justification for increased militarization both at-home and abroad. the cold war only ever stopped in name. the arms race does not have a finish line.
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In fact, it's clear that this fake brinkmanship is mutually beneficial to the political right in both countries. The geopolitically ignorant and very patriotic voter base of the Republican party and Putin's coalition love this type of heated rhetoric. Putin and Trump have this mutually respectful love affair because they see what they can do for one another.

With that said, all the sabre rattling comes at great cost to the taxpayers of both nations at a time where defense expenditures would be better spent elsewhere. What a shame that neither side can afford to ignore the other. Hoping HRC will serve up a hot plate of detente soon.
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Putin is being "naughty" to distract his base from demographic and economic issues: Russia's population is aging, GDP is shrinking, and the ruble is in trouble after the recent commodity bust. His aggressive foreign policy is not at all surprising or interesting, nor does he pose a real threat to the US.

There will be no war between the US and Russia, it's in neither country's interest.
over 8 years

Bebop says

At what cost?


i dont think we'll actually get to anything horrible like nuclear warfare.

Russia's economy is smaller than most states in the US anyways
over 8 years
At what cost?
over 8 years

Bebop says

Speaking of Hillary though Terry, she'll make it infinitely worse if she's elected and has made numerous claims that she'll do certain things if she's made president. I think those certain things could not only be damaging to relations between the US and Russia (war) but to the whole world.


lol

russia and china need to be punished severely and kept in check

Russia will have to stop its aggression eventually.
over 8 years
Speaking of Hillary though Terry, she'll make it infinitely worse if she's elected and has made numerous claims that she'll do certain things if she's made president. I think those certain things could not only be damaging to relations between the US and Russia (war) but to the whole world.
over 8 years

Mac says

HRC is a war hawk and will give the corporations whatever wars they want, for oil trade whatever.

All these corporations will make a sh*t Ton of money off selling supplies to the government, and won't be affected because they'll be able to buy loved ones out of the draft or get them placed as officers here.


- not about hillary

- the last thing anybody wants is actual war. this is strategic NATO placement for other NATO members.

- pretty clear im an interventionist at this point

- Everything about this thread has been about the fact that Russia has been belligerent and attempting to annex lands but here you are again, like in chatbox, whining about hillary randomly.

Russia has annexed Crimea, shifted Georgian border lines for its oil, kidnapped Estonian officer across the border, and has been giving Russian military supplies, specifically surface to air missiles, to "separatists" that shot down a passenger plane from Malaysia Airlines.

Why are you always trying to attack me? You've shown time and time again you have no idea what you're talking about and only repeat buzz words.
over 8 years

Bebop says

tu quoque

You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism.

Pronounced too-kwo-kwee. Literally translating as 'you too' this fallacy is also known as the appeal to hypocrisy. It is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off someone having to defend their argument, and instead shifts the focus back on to the person making the criticism.

Example: Nicole identified that Hannah had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of her claim, Hannah accused Nicole of committing a fallacy earlier on in the conversation.

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post flooding.
over 8 years

Jimbei says


Bebop says

You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism.



You said two statements that completely go against each other, why would I take the time to type out a serious reply when it's obvious you're just trolling and baiting me.


the first statement is pretty clearly a joke
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Bebop says

You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism.



You said two statements that completely go against each other, why would I take the time to type out a serious reply when it's obvious you're just trolling and baiting me.
over 8 years
We cannot let Hillary Rodham Clinton win this election. She is going to get everyone killed. Trump needs to be elected.
deletedover 8 years
Ya let's put a no fly zone over Russia that they'll break because well put it somewhere they'll clearly enter.

HRC is a war hawk and will give the corporations whatever wars they want, for oil trade whatever.

All these corporations will make a sh*t Ton of money off selling supplies to the government, and won't be affected because they'll be able to buy loved ones out of the draft or get them placed as officers here.

Terry won't be affected because he probably didn't sign up for the draft and he probably would break his leg to get out of going to war
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bonk says


bonk says

just take a few looks at human nature and see how utterly detestable people can be towards each other and i think ull see that humanity as a whole needs to be culled

im all for nuclear warfare


also id like to volunteer as the first hominid to be sacrificed for the greater good



im not fit for this world as evidenced above



You would hardly be the first human sacrifice but I think we should do it anyway. Volcano?
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bonk says

just take a few looks at human nature and see how utterly detestable people can be towards each other and i think ull see that humanity as a whole needs to be culled

im all for nuclear warfare


also id like to volunteer as the first hominid to be sacrificed for the greater good



im not fit for this world as evidenced above
over 8 years

Golbolco says

Terry debate thread AND Jimbei vs. Bebop in one thread? Christmas has come early this year.


political debate threads are catnip to me
over 8 years
Terry debate thread AND Jimbei vs. Bebop in one thread? Christmas has come early this year.