Epicmafia

the concept of banning

almost 8 years

you know whats a cool thing to think about

everymod's favorite hobby, banning people

so here's the paradox: you ban people so that they can't cause trouble, correct? so, they come back on an alt and don't cause any trouble, but you discover that they're a "banned user," so you ban them again. but wait, why ban them if they aren't causing trouble? and why are they even a "banner user" if they aren't causing trouble?

i think that permanent and even simply long bans are illogical because at some point in a ban someone will inevitably reach a point where they stop bothering to cause trouble. otherwise they could just use vpns forever. really, banning serves only to inconvenience people who are least dedicated to causing trouble and challenge (unsuccessfully) those who aren't

so we should abolish banning users for longer than a month and exterminate the concept of a "banned user" which is redundant considering once an alt starts causing trouble you can ban them on that premise anyway so why does it matter

cub

almost 8 years

UltraAug says

is this a troll thread

i can't tell

also just banning the banned user again would be a lot simpler than waiting every single time

the mindset of the salem witch trials

sure, they aren't summoning satan... YET

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why did you delete sports centewr

cub

almost 8 years

UltraAug says

mafia games are like murder

well if you want me to get really controversial here: if they went however many years without committing crime, do they seem reformed? that's what prison is supposed to do: reform people. if they're reformed, what do they need to be in prison for?

the answer isn't because they belong in prison, the answer is a mix of vindication and protecting an image

UltraAug

almost 8 years

is this a troll thread

i can't tell

also just banning the banned user again would be a lot simpler than waiting every single time

Cody

almost 8 years

he's saying that no punishments will matter under this because anyone can just get on an alt and get to use the site again without serving any of the "punishment" for rulebreaking

cub

almost 8 years

UltraAug says

if they make an alt are they automatically excluded from this even though they did a bad thing

why yes, yes they are

you see, you don't know it's a "banned user" alt unless they start causing trouble, and when they start causing trouble you already have a reason to ban them: causing trouble

so the concept of a "banned user" (that is, a person, not an account) is ridiculous

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bulla says

]ahh yes i love equating trolling in a few ranked games with committing murder

UltraAug

almost 8 years

this is dumb lol

that's not a paradox at all. we ban ppl because they did something bad. therefore they have to serve their time for doing the bad thing

if they make an alt are they automatically excluded from this even though they did a bad thing

that's like saying "hey i murdered someone but this time i'll be better i promise" and then saying o okay seems fair have fun

that's illogical

>does bad thing

>goes 2 prison 4 82 years

>escapes prison lol rekt

>new identity

>gets caught

>police let them go???? what

cub

almost 8 years

xxerox says

If you think banning is pointless and doesn't help, then i suggest total deletion.

Let's see if people will break the rules if they get deleted for having so many violations.

permabanned users won't care that's the point

the only people you're hurting are the people who can reform which is pretty counterproductive isn't it

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also you have a bit of excessive reasoning

I think you're holding too much value to punishing users and that's coming from someone who reported as half as many times as you(which is still quite a lot on my part)

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xxerox says

something something delete accounts permanently for vios

^that'll uh, only really negatively affect people who holds meaning to internet points on their profiles. Not that many people outside of Main would care

deleting accounts is a very bad idea unless they're massively hurting the site(error)

xxerox

almost 8 years

But honestly that won't help either xD

I think best thing is if we can install the game with a client, and the ban would not just spam over the IP and account, but over the computer too.

That way we can lower the ban times , and make it so banned users will have allot of trouble to enter again.

xxerox

almost 8 years

If you think banning is pointless and doesn't help, then i suggest total deletion.

Let's see if people will break the rules if they get deleted for having so many violations.

Cody

almost 8 years

i agree

moreover,

i checked this thread at this opportune time

Sishen

almost 8 years

dooze says

I think more than anything banning is a scare tactic. Not exactly a bad thing, though. By having a banning option available, people have a reason to actual fear getting warnings and doing wrong. If we never banned anyone, why would people not do HC, OPI, and harassment all the time?

scared of what

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honestly its just more convenient to not be banned

the difference is just a 1 minute account creation

cub

almost 8 years

heres the thing with the "threat" of banning: it only works on old accounts with a lot of history behind them, history that could only have been built up by not being permabanned already, so the only people you're threatening are the ones who have cooperated the longest whilst someone like cory just makes new accounts all the time so why would they care if one gets banned

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CoryInConstantinople says

dont think you're not at the top of the list buddy

cub

almost 8 years

dooze says

I think more than anything banning is a scare tactic. Not exactly a bad thing, though. By having a banning option available, people have a reason to actual fear getting warnings and doing wrong.

people who don't care about the site also don't care about their temporary accounts so i dont think they have anything to be scared about

dooze says

If we never banned anyone, why would people not do HC, OPI, and harassment all the time?

are you telling me you would just start doing all these things if you didnt get banned for it

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dont think you're not at the top of the list buddy

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honestly, when i'm banned that's when i'm gonna HC OPI and harass all the time

i have my d-day list for the day a mod bans me

dooze

almost 8 years

I think more than anything banning is a scare tactic. Not exactly a bad thing, though. By having a banning option available, people have a reason to actual fear getting warnings and doing wrong. If we never banned anyone, why would people not do HC, OPI, and harassment all the time?

sl0nderman

almost 8 years

i agree, free lilin

Sishen

almost 8 years

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Floor says

"rulebreakers will always find a way to break the rules so we should go easy on them"

kek