i love it when people try to justify the killing of life bc the woman can't "handle it"
Don't worry guys i know the handful of abortions out there to save the woman's life and yadda yadda do happen, but this is the secret here
(women shouldn't be entitled to killing life for their benefit, i remember a time in history where people were killed without a say in it for others benefit. i think it was called the holocaust heheh. thats just my opinion im not trying to seem smart like azu here)
In my previous post, I mentioned specifically what happens when you do this, horrible awful things, like slavery and the holocaust. (if you need a hand here, Jews aren't German, blacks aren't people.)
Anyone advocating for moral action via a consequentialist ethic without a solution to the grounding problem of personhood is going to allow himself to cast and ever expanding net that will harm others. You're leaving the moral immune system of society completely defenseless to any rogue authoritarian virus to hijack and send society into absolute barbarity.
@snowpuppy newsflash: most, if not all, anticonceptive methods can fail, not everyone has access to them.
you totally misinterpreted my second paragraph. i don't care if someone *personally* thinks abortion is immoral. you cannot force your morality upon the law. same applies to murder. idc if you personally think murdering people is good, you cannot force the law to stick to your morals without sufficient proof. the undeniable reality is that abortion saves COUNTLESS lives. look up abortion death stats in countries where abortion is legal versus countries where it isn't. your individual backstory is rather irrelevant. laws aren't dictated over individual cases but rather for the greater, collective well-being. i was born to a teen mom and my grandmother wanted to abort me too. i know that if my family hadn't had sufficient resources, raising me would have been impossible and i wouldn't want that for anyone.
the case of abortion in china is rather an interesting one. i absolutely do not condone that and that's why i stated that i don't think abortion is the ultimate solution to all problems, it definitely can be used to control women, just as forcing childbirth.
@snowpuppy "Personhood is the status of being a person. Defining personhood is a controversial topic in philosophy and law and is closely tied with legal and political concepts of citizenship, equality, and liberty. According to law, only a natural person or legal personality has rights, protections, privileges, responsibilities, and legal liability.[1]
Personhood continues to be a topic of international debate and has been questioned critically during the abolition of human and nonhuman slavery, in theology, in debates about abortion and in fetal rights and/or reproductive rights, in animal rights activism, in theology and ontology, in ethical theory, and in debates about corporate personhood and the beginning of human personhood.[2]
Processes through which personhood is recognized socially and legally vary cross-culturally, demonstrating that notions of personhood are not universal."
The majority of the time pregnancy is because two people choose to have sex and decided not to wear protection.
This naturally results in another human life.
Do you have a source?
Do you think this would hold up in court? A murder says, I don't care if you think killing people is immoral, you can't force other people to stick to your morals. (hmm)
False, personhood is not a social construct.
If personhood is a social construct then murder and r4pe doesn't exist.
Nor does pedophilia, bestiality, homosexuality, necrophilia.
If morality is subjective, and personhood is subjective, why should I care about their lives?
Trying to illicit a moral obligation to save lives while discarding the very same ethic in order to take them is going to send some mixed signals, why don't we just gather up all the rapists and chemically castrate them, or euthanize the mentally challenged if it might lead to a general positive benefit for society.
I hate to bring up Godwin's law, however this fallacious moral reasoning has lead to so much death and suffering in human history.
Either there are moral facts or their aren't. Logic doesn't allow you to draw lines in the sand because the water is just going to wash them away in the end.
That's the major problem with this line of reasoning is that it corrodes the very fabric which makes society function because it destroys the connections we have to each other. That's why this issue is the most divisive issue in politics, because no good answer can be reached.
forcing pregnancy and/or motherhood upon women has been a method used to control us since the dawn of times and in most societies. sadly i live in a country where abortion is illegal and cases of poor, young women dying because of badly performed abortions are an epidemic.
i dont care if people personally think abortion is immoral, they have every right to do so. however, you can't force other people to stick to your morals, especially since the real question relating abortion is where personhood starts. we all know personhood is a social construct and its definition changes greatly according to different societies and time periods. my point is that it's something subjective and there is really no right or wrong answer.
even if you think abortion is wrong, you can't deny it saves lives. especially young, working class women's lives which couldn't otherwise support a baby. i definitely don't think abortion is the ultimate solution to all problems, but in an unfair society like the one we live in, it saves countless women.
Not like I am a serial killer or a psychopath or anything, but I am not against unborn babies being forced to live while the world population is ever increasing, and while there are women who don't want or can't support a child.
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Surely can feel pain is not a reasonable point. Surely it has to be either after 2 years or after conception.
Don't you know that a cis-gender's paradigm of a woman's body is inherently transphobic. Not all women look like a blowup doll with huge and a functional -hole.
