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Why you shouldn't vote for HRC

deletedover 8 years

Ok so a lot of people are voting for HRC for a few main reasons: (1) She's not Trump (2) She will enact Liberal policies/ put in Liberal Justices (3) Global Warming/ The environment is an important issue RN (4) Female President (5) Most experience

Here's my responses: (1) OK so I'm not a Trump supporter/fan by any means. BUT people seem to ignore a lot of the shady/ messed up that she's been caught in. Her emails (Yes they are a big deal, people have gone to jail for way less), taking money from corporate interest groups (more on this later), working with the DNC/ DWS to make her the nominee (leaked emails shows voter suppression and the DNC pitching anti-Bernie Sanders stories to the media). She may not be Trump but I'd argue that she's really just as bad.

(2)/(3) Liberal Policies - I'd say most liberals are: Anti-War, Anti-Private Prisons, Pro-Pot, Pro-Gay Marriage, Pro-Environment, Anti-Corruption in Politics. HRC has received private donations totaling 87 million dollars from lobbyists and special interest groups (https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=W) more than all the other presidential candidates in this election combined! (Trump, the 2nd most, has 19 million). Let's look at some of her donors: Private Prisons (leaked emails have shown her to be anti-pot and for minimum prison sentencing), Defense Companies (she's stated she wants a no-fly zone over Syria, which many top generals and politicians agree would be a bad idea because it would lead to a war with Russia), and fracking companies, which has been proven to be terrible for the environment (see Flint Michigan). Not very liberal of her it seems. Why would you trust her to put in liberal judges/policies when she seems to be able to be bought by whatever company wants her?

(4) Wanting a candidate because of their genitals or race is stupid. Just a plain fact. I have no problem with a female president, but I don't think HRC is the right person for the job. It'd be sexist to say you voted for Trump because he's male, and racist to say you voted for him because he's white, but spin it the other way and it's "Progressive".

(5) Yes she went to Wellesley and Yale, but going to college doesn't make you qualified for POTUS. She was FLOTUS, but who cares? To be qualified for FLOTUS you have to marry the POTUS. If Trump wins would Ivana be qualified to be POTUS? She was senator of New York, a blue state which she was an implant in. Bill Burr said it best "HRC walked out onto that stage with a brand new Yankees hat they just bought and said 'I've always been a Yankees fan!' I hate that woman." Let's also not ignore her terrible tenure as Secretary of State, where she had her now infamous email scandal (even if it was a mistake it's a terrible mistake that shows she not fit for the job) and her with Benghazi.

One of my favorite videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

So ya, like I said, I'm not a Trump supporter by any means. But I'm not a HRC supporter at all. To say you're voting for her so Trump doesn't win is asinine.

over 8 years
It's not like Hillary can just slam a button and create a no-fly zone over Syria. Congress would definitely have to approve something like that.

And since Congress is mostly projected to remain majority Republican, Hillary's plans wouldn't get too far anyways, sometimes simply because she came up with them.
over 8 years
the only voting i do is downvoting drpp's comments
deletedover 8 years

Chaika says

Do you side with Gary's suit + blue jeans too?


Very slick look tbh

I mean I agree with him most, and I really like his VP pick (former gov of my state), so ye
over 8 years
Do you side with Gary's suit + blue jeans too?
deletedover 8 years
Ok so my preferred list of candidates

Gary Johnson
Evan McMullin
Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein

If you want to include all candidates in your ISideWith (even if they're not on your state ballot) click on "show more candidates" under your list of candidates, then click "write in candidates" and it will show you
deletedover 8 years
Ok so I was messing around with an electoral college map.

Looks like HRC will win, unless Trump wins New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, and Ohio.

Even then he can't win, it just prevents HRC from getting 270.

If Evan McMullin wins Utah (he has a good chance), then he's in the running to be picked to be Pres.

So if you live in Utah vote McMullin. If you live in New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, or Ohio vote Trump.
over 8 years

Chaika says


bdog1321 says

voting is meaningless


Why? Would a dictatorship suit your tastes better?



i'll vote for that
deletedover 8 years

bdog1321 says

voting is meaningless


protest vote.
over 8 years

bdog1321 says

voting is meaningless


Why? Would a dictatorship suit your tastes better?
over 8 years
voting is meaningless
over 8 years

bdog1321 says

i'm not voting


Don't go complaining when things aren't going how you want on the local side. Even if you don't like any of the presidential options, the local votes will affect you.
deletedover 8 years

bdog1321 says

i'm not voting


If you don't vote you can't B*tch
over 8 years
i'm not voting
deletedover 8 years
I don't dislike Trump just because he said some mean things. It seems that whatever opinion I post here will be retaliated against so I'm keeping things short and simple to not waste my time with politics on a site filled with migraines and instead hope for someone to give me some informative constructive posts with actual logic
over 8 years

Jimbei says

If I was purely voting for HRC in spite of Trump I'd hop on the McMullin hype train in a heartbeat


In spite of a guy who said some mean things in favor of a career politician currently under investigation? Alright then.

@Mac

I saw that he didn't personally support it, but the fact that he won't try to repeal it is fine by me.

Pro TPP is definitely not good, that's a trade deal I want gone.

The Syria issue could go either way, as long as it doesn't escalate into war, I have no problems with it.
deletedover 8 years

Chaika says


Mac says

Damn I like this McMullin guy, too bad he isn't on the ballot in MA. If he wins Utah tho and Trump or HRC can't get the magic number and it goes to congress to decide...


Looking up McMullin's views was actually pretty nice, since I found most of them agreeable, much more so than Johnson or Stein.


[quote=Chaika][quote=Mac]

Ya the only things I really disagree wth him on are:

He's anti gay marriage (However he said he's personally against it but wouldn't try to ban it)

He's pro TPP

He wants a no fly zone in Syria (he is ex CIA tho so I trust him more on foreign policy than anyone else)

Besides that he seems like a really good candidate who's willing to work with both parties and puts the country's views before his own
deletedover 8 years
If I was purely voting for HRC in spite of Trump I'd hop on the McMullin hype train in a heartbeat
over 8 years

Mac says

Damn I like this McMullin guy, too bad he isn't on the ballot in MA. If he wins Utah tho and Trump or HRC can't get the magic number and it goes to congress to decide...


Looking up McMullin's views was actually pretty nice, since I found most of them agreeable, much more so than Johnson or Stein.
over 8 years
i like deek
deletedover 8 years
She just runs as president to garner more attention to herself and sell books pretty plain to see lol
deletedover 8 years
Damn I like this McMullin guy, too bad he isn't on the ballot in MA. If he wins Utah tho and Trump or HRC can't get the magic number and it goes to congress to decide...
over 8 years
That AMA was honestly a big mess. She only answered a few questions and half got some backlash.

Here's a decent overview on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5a2zfs/jill_stein_is_doing_an_ama_its_not_going_well/
deletedover 8 years

Chaika says

Jill Stein on nuclear energy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5a2d2l/title_jill_stein_answers_your_questions/d9d53yw/



Chaika says

Jill Stein on nuclear energy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5a2d2l/title_jill_stein_answers_your_questions/d9d53yw/


People call Gary Johnson stupid yet this woman thinks nuclear energy is bad, thinks GMOs need to be banned, thinks WiFi makes your kids dumber, and believes in alternative medicine. She also refuses to take a solid stance on vaccines.

How the f*ck did she go to Harvard?
over 8 years
Here's some fresh pasta from your resident chef

Hillary deleted some emails herself illegally after being served a subpoena
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4099

The key point is that this is not an Obama ask, but a Hillary ask. And the Clintons won't forget what their friends have done for them. It would be helpful to feel out what path, if any, we have to get them to yes. This will probably take some pushing.

Pay4play letters
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

"Can't send it securely? it, change the header."
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12605

Clinton foundation
Exceeded its original authorization from the I.R.S
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6009

CTR collusion ( CTR/ Media matters etc)
https://www.wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/5636

Clinton Foundation tied to uranium deal - she sold uranium to Russia, approved a deal that should not have gone through. Clinton's interests are not American interests.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1127

Colluding with CNBC
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5142

Just like when she called MSNBC and bitched out Joe/Mika because they were stating pro Sanders sentiments.

Oh hey, what's this? A Scripted MSNBC interview?! Wow, just like she got the questions to the debate before Sanders did. *shocking*
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4274

There is a reason the Clinton backed media hates Trump & Sanders. And it's because they will do away with this .


Clinton doesn't care about American people https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433
In fact she's growing to hate everyday Americans

Not only does she hate them, but working for the Clintons drives staff to suicide attempts
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3332
over 8 years