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Why you shouldn't vote for HRC

deletedover 8 years

Ok so a lot of people are voting for HRC for a few main reasons: (1) She's not Trump (2) She will enact Liberal policies/ put in Liberal Justices (3) Global Warming/ The environment is an important issue RN (4) Female President (5) Most experience

Here's my responses: (1) OK so I'm not a Trump supporter/fan by any means. BUT people seem to ignore a lot of the shady/ messed up that she's been caught in. Her emails (Yes they are a big deal, people have gone to jail for way less), taking money from corporate interest groups (more on this later), working with the DNC/ DWS to make her the nominee (leaked emails shows voter suppression and the DNC pitching anti-Bernie Sanders stories to the media). She may not be Trump but I'd argue that she's really just as bad.

(2)/(3) Liberal Policies - I'd say most liberals are: Anti-War, Anti-Private Prisons, Pro-Pot, Pro-Gay Marriage, Pro-Environment, Anti-Corruption in Politics. HRC has received private donations totaling 87 million dollars from lobbyists and special interest groups (https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=W) more than all the other presidential candidates in this election combined! (Trump, the 2nd most, has 19 million). Let's look at some of her donors: Private Prisons (leaked emails have shown her to be anti-pot and for minimum prison sentencing), Defense Companies (she's stated she wants a no-fly zone over Syria, which many top generals and politicians agree would be a bad idea because it would lead to a war with Russia), and fracking companies, which has been proven to be terrible for the environment (see Flint Michigan). Not very liberal of her it seems. Why would you trust her to put in liberal judges/policies when she seems to be able to be bought by whatever company wants her?

(4) Wanting a candidate because of their genitals or race is stupid. Just a plain fact. I have no problem with a female president, but I don't think HRC is the right person for the job. It'd be sexist to say you voted for Trump because he's male, and racist to say you voted for him because he's white, but spin it the other way and it's "Progressive".

(5) Yes she went to Wellesley and Yale, but going to college doesn't make you qualified for POTUS. She was FLOTUS, but who cares? To be qualified for FLOTUS you have to marry the POTUS. If Trump wins would Ivana be qualified to be POTUS? She was senator of New York, a blue state which she was an implant in. Bill Burr said it best "HRC walked out onto that stage with a brand new Yankees hat they just bought and said 'I've always been a Yankees fan!' I hate that woman." Let's also not ignore her terrible tenure as Secretary of State, where she had her now infamous email scandal (even if it was a mistake it's a terrible mistake that shows she not fit for the job) and her with Benghazi.

One of my favorite videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

So ya, like I said, I'm not a Trump supporter by any means. But I'm not a HRC supporter at all. To say you're voting for her so Trump doesn't win is asinine.

Now I'm voting for:
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Trump
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Clinton
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Stein
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Johnson
MeetTerry
over 8 years

Mac says

Benghazi was a f*up on her part, been proven.


there was no "stand-down" order as you've suggested several times.

because of this incident, security process has been changed and solidified so something like that doesnt happen again.

this several year-long investigation found her to be innocent. stop pushing alex-jones level idiocy



She made mistakes that are pretty major, people have gone to jail for less.


please shut up



Wikileaks emails have shown her shady sh*t, also it's pretty obvious that when a company donates money it's understood you'll do whatever they want. Don't play dumb


this is what always happens

new wikileaks comes out

media/conspiritards focus on 2-3 emails that definitely show corruption when in reality they're over-exaggerating

it is generally ignorant people like you that go "hurr durr just read the wikileaks" blowing up non-issues.
deletedover 8 years

cute says

if u had used ur +10 on a post that didn't support hrc, he wouldn't have whined


actually when i made a post about modnegging he upvoted it even though it wasn't about supporting hrc
deletedover 8 years
this account is denied the ability to reinforce approval of forum posts with very important green numbers
deletedover 8 years

error says


Mac says

Also @error/fnoof can you not use your +10 upvotes in this thread? You can use your +1, +10 makes it look like they have more support than they do.


this is a really weird thing to nitpick about seeing as anyone with half a brain can just hover over the count to see who voted but OK!


I think it just makes it look biased and all I did was request that you not
deletedover 8 years
I request that every post in this thread is +10'd so everyone's opinion can be validated.
deletedover 8 years

cute says

if u had used ur +10 on a post that didn't support hrc, he wouldn't have whined


not true, i think it makes it look biased, error doesnt even support hillary. Go away.
cute
over 8 years
if u had used ur +10 on a post that didn't support hrc, he wouldn't have whined
deletedover 8 years

cub says

people think hillary clinton is good for the environment? where?


there's a wall at my uni and it was listed under reasons to vote for hillary, also very commonly tossed around
cub
over 8 years

error says


Mac says

Also @error/fnoof can you not use your +10 upvotes in this thread? You can use your +1, +10 makes it look like they have more support than they do.


this is a really weird thing to nitpick about seeing as anyone with half a brain can just hover over the count to see who voted but OK!


honestly if that's the case then why use a mod account instead of this one

i also dont appreciate mod opinion votes

that and the fact modnegs hide posts, which is censorship
deletedover 8 years

Mac says

Also @error/fnoof can you not use your +10 upvotes in this thread? You can use your +1, +10 makes it look like they have more support than they do.


this is a really weird thing to nitpick about seeing as anyone with half a brain can just hover over the count to see who voted but OK!
deletedover 8 years
Reptiles secret agenda is to make the world as warm as possible so they don't freeze to death.
MeetTerry
over 8 years

Mac says

Campaign emails inside a campaign are fine, but actively campaigning with your own party is extremely fishy, where's the democratic process if you won't let the people choose?


because i dont care



America is the reason ISIS/ISIL/Daesh even exists. [...]




the former iraqi government was bad and i dont care for its demise

US forces should have stayed and finished the job



Also, we should we even invest in fracking? It's terrible for the environment. We saw what it did to Flint. It poisoned the water. The government knew about it and didn't stop. We should not use it and then stop later, we should stop now.


why are you willfully lying? the flint water crisis happened because Michigan's department for water didn't properly treat the water when they swapped water sourcing. the water became too corrosive and it eroded away the lead and iron in all the pipes throughout Flint, thus making the water brown and poisonous.

fracking is awful. it is inevitable we are switching to more cleaner energy sources. it's happening.

natural gas is cleaner than gasoline anyways.
cub
over 8 years
people think hillary clinton is good for the environment? where?
deletedover 8 years

cub says

i dont think anyone is voting for hillary for reasons 2 or 3

like nobody actually believes she'll fight for those things, not even most of her supporters


Not true, most supporters of hers believe that she will enact liberal policies and they don't want a republican to put in Justices, also they believe she will save the environment.
deletedover 8 years
Also @error/fnoof can you not use your +10 upvotes in this thread? You can use your +1, +10 makes it look like they have more support than they do.
cub
over 8 years
i dont think anyone is voting for hillary for reasons 2 or 3

like nobody actually believes she'll fight for those things, not even most of her supporters
deletedover 8 years
how much are you getting paid for this?
deletedover 8 years

MeetTerry says


Mac says

Also, just because someone is a career politician does not mean they are fit for president. She literally messed up big time TWICE as secretary of state, and they were 2 MAJOR f*ckups


she has lived her entire life under the limelight and scrutiny.

yes, she has made mistakes in conjunction with the Obama administration, but she has many other great things.

Powerful people meet and network with other powerful people. This does not make you a corporate . Her leaked speeches don't even show anything bad.

also, benghazi isn't a -up on her part.


Benghazi was a f*up on her part, been proven.

She made mistakes that are pretty major, people have gone to jail for less.

Wikileaks emails have shown her shady sh*t, also it's pretty obvious that when a company donates money it's understood you'll do whatever they want. Don't play dumb
deletedover 8 years

Jimbei says

Why don't you argue with Mac about Gary Johnson's views, instead of retorting it to Donald Trump? You can learn more about another candidate and another users' values both at once.


thank you just because I make a post bashing HRC it doesn't mean I support Trump.

Look at what happened to Bill Weld, he bashed Trump and CNN ran a report that "Johnson/Weld have given up, tells everyone to vote for HRC"

The media spinezone is unreal
MeetTerry
over 8 years

Mac says

Also, just because someone is a career politician does not mean they are fit for president. She literally messed up big time TWICE as secretary of state, and they were 2 MAJOR f*ckups


she has lived her entire life under the limelight and scrutiny.

yes, she has made mistakes in conjunction with the Obama administration, but she has many other great things.

Powerful people meet and network with other powerful people. This does not make you a corporate . Her leaked speeches don't even show anything bad.

also, benghazi isn't a -up on her part.
deletedover 8 years
Why don't you argue with Mac about Gary Johnson's views, instead of retorting it to Donald Trump? You can learn more about another candidate and another users' values both at once.
deletedover 8 years
@Terry last time I checked you were the only one who admitted to regularly posting on the donald, and I do not support trump I support Gary Johnson.

Campaign emails inside a campaign are fine, but actively campaigning with your own party is extremely fishy, where's the democratic process if you won't let the people choose?

America is the reason ISIS/ISIL/Daesh even exists. USA has been funding rebels and overthrowing governments in Syria and the middle east for quite some time for oil. We shouldn't be there, no one should. Russia isn't the only one at fault, and we shouldn't be poking the bear.

Also, we should we even invest in fracking? It's terrible for the environment. We saw what it did to Flint. It poisoned the water. The government knew about it and didn't stop. We should not use it and then stop later, we should stop now.
deletedover 8 years

dahoaf says

Her tenure as a US senator is extremely important and should not be trivialized as you've done here. If you think she was a plant, fine. That does not change that she won office by a considerable margin despite those same accusations. Why? Because of the legitimacy conferred to her by decades of political experience at multiple levels of government, inside and outside the public sector. And she was appointed to the office of Secretary of State on that same merit. If cronyism brought her this success, then it is a benign cronyism that rewards the skilled.

She has authored policy in the legislative branch of government. She has carried out policy in the executive branch of government. She has studied and practiced law.

Now contrast with Trump, and tell me who's not fit for the job.



Ok so you picked out one part of my 5 arguments, you agreed that college and FLOTUS dont matter, and that she's a shill, that she's a corporate crony.

Also, just because someone is a career politician does not mean they are fit for president. She literally messed up big time TWICE as secretary of state, and they were 2 MAJOR f*ckups.

Also, I never endorsed Trump, I endorse Johnson.

Any response to my other arguments against her?
MeetTerry
over 8 years
matthew are you one of those weird the_donald losers thirsting over russia?

why wont you respond or talk about how russia:

- routinely gives "separatists" weapons (one that shot down a plane from Malaysia Airlines)?

- shifts georgian borders?

- annexing crimea?

letting aggressions like these go unpunished is dangerous and idiotic
MeetTerry
over 8 years


working with the DNC/ DWS to make her the nominee (leaked emails shows voter suppression and the DNC pitching anti-Bernie Sanders stories to the media). She may not be Trump but I'd argue that she's really just as bad




like i said again, one candidate has been a lifelong DNC member, raising money for fellow downticket candidates, the other did not, instead started the crooked hillary hysteria. HFA was completely kind and could have trashed the Bernie movement if it wanted to. They didn't. Even Bernie has admitted his emails between his campaign members were also viscious towards HRC. This is normal stuff.



Let's look at some of her donors: Private Prisons (leaked emails have shown her to be anti-pot and for minimum prison sentencing), Defense Companies (she's stated she wants a no-fly zone over Syria, which many top generals and politicians agree would be a bad idea because it would lead to a war with Russia), and fracking companies, which has been proven to be terrible for the environment (see Flint Michigan).


through practical policy that dissuades companies from using fracking. we need energy. fracking is bad, but offers the energy. it will be replaced eventually.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you war with Russia isn't happening. You've been watching too many Alex Jones shows. Russia should get out of Syria.