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Why you shouldn't vote for HRC

deletedover 8 years

Ok so a lot of people are voting for HRC for a few main reasons: (1) She's not Trump (2) She will enact Liberal policies/ put in Liberal Justices (3) Global Warming/ The environment is an important issue RN (4) Female President (5) Most experience

Here's my responses: (1) OK so I'm not a Trump supporter/fan by any means. BUT people seem to ignore a lot of the shady/ messed up that she's been caught in. Her emails (Yes they are a big deal, people have gone to jail for way less), taking money from corporate interest groups (more on this later), working with the DNC/ DWS to make her the nominee (leaked emails shows voter suppression and the DNC pitching anti-Bernie Sanders stories to the media). She may not be Trump but I'd argue that she's really just as bad.

(2)/(3) Liberal Policies - I'd say most liberals are: Anti-War, Anti-Private Prisons, Pro-Pot, Pro-Gay Marriage, Pro-Environment, Anti-Corruption in Politics. HRC has received private donations totaling 87 million dollars from lobbyists and special interest groups (https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=W) more than all the other presidential candidates in this election combined! (Trump, the 2nd most, has 19 million). Let's look at some of her donors: Private Prisons (leaked emails have shown her to be anti-pot and for minimum prison sentencing), Defense Companies (she's stated she wants a no-fly zone over Syria, which many top generals and politicians agree would be a bad idea because it would lead to a war with Russia), and fracking companies, which has been proven to be terrible for the environment (see Flint Michigan). Not very liberal of her it seems. Why would you trust her to put in liberal judges/policies when she seems to be able to be bought by whatever company wants her?

(4) Wanting a candidate because of their genitals or race is stupid. Just a plain fact. I have no problem with a female president, but I don't think HRC is the right person for the job. It'd be sexist to say you voted for Trump because he's male, and racist to say you voted for him because he's white, but spin it the other way and it's "Progressive".

(5) Yes she went to Wellesley and Yale, but going to college doesn't make you qualified for POTUS. She was FLOTUS, but who cares? To be qualified for FLOTUS you have to marry the POTUS. If Trump wins would Ivana be qualified to be POTUS? She was senator of New York, a blue state which she was an implant in. Bill Burr said it best "HRC walked out onto that stage with a brand new Yankees hat they just bought and said 'I've always been a Yankees fan!' I hate that woman." Let's also not ignore her terrible tenure as Secretary of State, where she had her now infamous email scandal (even if it was a mistake it's a terrible mistake that shows she not fit for the job) and her with Benghazi.

One of my favorite videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

So ya, like I said, I'm not a Trump supporter by any means. But I'm not a HRC supporter at all. To say you're voting for her so Trump doesn't win is asinine.

Now I'm voting for:
16
Trump
10
Clinton
5
Stein
4
Johnson
cute
over 8 years
none of your questions were questions, they're merely statements with question marks tacked on.
deletedover 8 years
MeetTerry
over 8 years

Mac says

]Terry admitted fracking was bad for the environment which I said?


Terry admitted smoking was bad for the human body and other people but he still doesn't want to ban it????

zoo-wee momma

go for practical solutions buddy. you always talk about limited government but here you are advocating for outright banning something

fracking sucks - then use public policy as a way to make it go away, which it will happen.
deletedover 8 years

cute says

do you read and comprehend anything i write ever


You've dodged every one of my questions
deletedover 8 years

cute says

if u had used ur +10 on a post that didn't support hrc, he wouldn't have whined


It's clearly relevant to the point you was making above but its okay if you can't see how, I understand.
deletedover 8 years
>conspiritards

more namecalling, and don't act like we didnt go into the Middle East for oil. Where are the nukes they had?

How does fracking work for everyone when it is destroying the environment?

Yes we have a demand for gas, how does this apply to economics which is theory? Supply and demand everyone knows how this works.

You literally just insult insult insult with a few arguments sprinkled in
cute
over 8 years
and ayd, that's STILL not relevant to the point i was making anyways, but thanks for trying!
cute
over 8 years
do you read and comprehend anything i write ever
MeetTerry
over 8 years

Mac says



We should stay in the Middle East and continue securing oil, toppling governments, wasting resources, money and lives, and also fight with Russia? no thanks.


only conspiritards go endlessly about how war is only for the oil

unfortunately, fringe islamic groups like IS will always exist and has existed since muhammed. they always come back.



Fracking - you admit it's terrible but we shouldn't ban it?


because i go for practical solutions that work for everyone



We don't need fracking for energy RN, I'd like to see your data to back this up. We shouldn't be using something terrible and dangerous.


US greenhouse emissions peaked over a decade ago. 75% of all new power is from renewable energy.

like it or not, we still have demand for gas and natural gas. shouldn't you know this because you're aiming for a MINOR in economics?

top f*cking lol
deletedover 8 years

cute says

"all terry does is petty namecalling. he sucks at arguing" *proceeds to insult terry*


Terry called me dumb and insulted me, I brought up his track record with politics?

AKA when he supported Trump a month ago and posted on the donald daily?
deletedover 8 years

cute says

also: i like how mac doesn't even own up to the fact that he was wrong about what happened in flint and keeps repeating his opinions concerning fracking.


Terry admitted fracking was bad for the environment which I said?
deletedover 8 years

cute says

ayd that's completely unrelated but thanks anyways.


How is it unrelated, you said he only complained about the +10/-10 cause he was supporting Hillary but that's not true because he upvoted that thread a couple days ago which had nothing to do with Hilary
cute
over 8 years
"all terry does is petty namecalling. he sucks at arguing" *proceeds to insult terry*
deletedover 8 years

error says

this account is denied the ability to reinforce approval of forum posts with very important green numbers


can you not make this an issue dude, just use your +1 instead of +10 it was just a request
cute
over 8 years
also: i like how mac doesn't even own up to the fact that he was wrong about what happened in flint and keeps repeating his opinions concerning fracking.
deletedover 8 years

cute says


Mac says

not true, i think it makes it look biased, error doesnt even support hillary. Go away.


you calling something biased is ironic.

a couple of green pixels never hurt anybody.


How am I biased?
deletedover 8 years
All terry has done is call me dumb, ignorant, blah blah. I refute his points but he reduces to petty name calling.

You would like HRC considering you've flopped just as many times as she has.
cute
over 8 years
ayd that's completely unrelated but thanks anyways.
deletedover 8 years

MeetTerry says


Mac says

Benghazi was a f*up on her part, been proven.


there was no "stand-down" order as you've suggested several times.

because of this incident, security process has been changed and solidified so something like that doesnt happen again.

this several year-long investigation found her to be innocent. stop pushing alex-jones level idiocy



She made mistakes that are pretty major, people have gone to jail for less.


please shut up



Wikileaks emails have shown her shady sh*t, also it's pretty obvious that when a company donates money it's understood you'll do whatever they want. Don't play dumb


this is what always happens

new wikileaks comes out

media/conspiritards focus on 2-3 emails that definitely show corruption when in reality they're over-exaggerating

it is generally ignorant people like you that go "hurr durr just read the wikileaks" blowing up non-issues.


Yes keep calling me stupid, nice debating.

These aren't a few wikileaks, these are massive leaks bro, as in many many many emails.

Shut up about a valid point? A general just got in trouble for misleading the FBI (lying to them). HRC lied to the FBI and the people about her emails, which was a breach of national security.

Also, what a surprise, it's almost like someone with money and power like HRC can stay out of trouble.
deletedover 8 years
^spam. mute this heathen.
MeetTerry
over 8 years
matthew is actually ignorant. posting again for the lmaos


Also, we should we even invest in fracking? It's terrible for the environment. We saw what it did to Flint. It poisoned the water. The government knew about it and didn't stop. We should not use it and then stop later, we should stop now.


why are you willfully lying? the flint water crisis happened because Michigan's department for water didn't properly treat the water when they swapped water sourcing. the water became too corrosive and it eroded away the lead and iron in all the pipes throughout Flint, thus making the water brown and poisonous.
deletedover 8 years
@Terry

You don't care about my argument so it makes it invalid? Nice.

We should stay in the Middle East and continue securing oil, toppling governments, wasting resources, money and lives, and also fight with Russia? no thanks.

Fracking - you admit it's terrible but we shouldn't ban it? We don't need fracking for energy RN, I'd like to see your data to back this up. We shouldn't be using something terrible and dangerous.
MeetTerry
over 8 years
matthew is actually ignorant. posting again for the lmaos


Also, we should we even invest in fracking? It's terrible for the environment. We saw what it did to Flint. It poisoned the water. The government knew about it and didn't stop. We should not use it and then stop later, we should stop now.


why are you willfully lying? the flint water crisis happened because Michigan's department for water didn't properly treat the water when they swapped water sourcing. the water became too corrosive and it eroded away the lead and iron in all the pipes throughout Flint, thus making the water brown and poisonous.
deletedover 8 years

cute says


Mac says

not true, i think it makes it look biased, error doesnt even support hillary. Go away.


you calling something biased is ironic.

a couple of green pixels never hurt anybody.


https://epicmafia.com/topic/80618

here's the thread if you wanted a link for it :)
cute
over 8 years

Mac says

not true, i think it makes it look biased, error doesnt even support hillary. Go away.


you calling something biased is ironic.

a couple of green pixels never hurt anybody.