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Coming Together in America

deletedover 8 years

I know epicmafia isn't the best place for political discourse but this is the platform I have and I consider you friends enough to value your opinions and I want to hear your thoughts.

We have been blind. That's a fact. Liberals along with the media, celebrities, academics, polls have all had a skewed view that we live in a world where social values like political correctness, gender/sexuality equality, women's rights are not nearly as widely accepted as we thought. Whenever Trump supporters shouted "The media lies!" they weren't wrong. In their delusion, liberals espoused a champion that was simply a poor candidate to appeal to the working class.

On Tuesday, anyone who felt ostracized by an establishment that took their jobs, angered by corruption, and frowned upon political correctness joined the people with conservative values, christian values, along with (let's face it) vehement racists, and together formed a majority that elected Donald Trump as President of the United States.

Now, Clinton supporters are angry. Minorities are rightfully scared. Trump supporters are content but annoyed at the reaction. Some however are gloating unabashedly while others are taking it as vindication of violence against minorities.

Where do we go from here?

To the people that voted for Trump: Do you acknowledge Trump has made misogynist and sexist remarks? Are you okay with him representing us or do you wish it was someone else? Should Trump threaten immigrants, LGBTQ ppl, or muslims, will you stand by them or support that choice?

To the people that voted Clinton: Do you think Clinton would have been a progressive President? Do you think there was better candidate? What will you do for social progress in the next four years?

To the people that voted 3rd party: Do you regret you decision or stand by your conscience. What will you do for 3rd parties in the next 4 years?

To everyone: How do we reconcile our differences to avoid violence? How do we avoid having an election like this again?

What can we do to cumm together?

What will you do?
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Fight for minorities and advocate peace.
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Nothing
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Give Trump a chance, but stand for minorities.
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Support Trump.
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Fuck Trump. We need to protest.
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over 8 years
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over 8 years
do i post the essay i just wrote in response to this thread or no pls help
over 8 years
The

"I can predict the future and Trump is bad" people

vs

"I'm not going to btich about things that may not even happen and judge him on his actual presidential actions" people
over 8 years

fnoof says

he's gonna bomb the government dwai dude


this is best case scenario and the one we must hope for and it is the scenario i hoped would happen if he somehow won....... lets all hope this has been a very long performance piece
deletedover 8 years
[quote=ChaoticDoom]


the "x support y so y = x" argument is literally stupid


Well its also "x supports z, and y supports z, so x= y". It is a logical fallacy but it is an easy one to fall into. I don't think it is constructive to call liberals stupid for falling into it. There are misunderstandings and stereotyping coming from every direction.
deletedover 8 years
he's gonna bomb the government dwai dude
over 8 years
d trump is mega corrupt himself hows he gonna get it outta the government now that he himself is the government -___- smh
over 8 years
chefcrackhead how the hale can u disagree he purposefully tried to appeal to racists. the kkk endorsed him for a reason dude. all that hateful talk about muslims??????????/ um??? ur choosing what u wanna see, seems like
over 8 years
Michael Moore hates Trump with a passion (his support for HRC is pretty ironic considering that she was literally the Wall Street establishment big bank candidate) but summarized support for Trump pretty well in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-CiPVo_NQ

Note that it was part of his pro-Hillary movie Trumpland and has been taken out of context as a pro-Trump video by Donald himself. Considering that his remarks have been taken out of context by the mainstream media for his entire campaign it is kind of hilarious in hindsight. The man knows what he's doing.
deletedover 8 years
trump picked up where bernie left off, actually. can't fault him for targeting the lower/middle class everyman that hrc visibly ignored.
over 8 years
I've got to agree with cub's post on page 1; Trump's crudeness made me dislike him as a person but it didn't bother me nearly as much as his "suggestions" did. "Look at my African-American over here", while embarrassing, pales in comparison to "I would bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding". His enthusiastic support for torture and advocacy for mass deportations, religious profiling and mass surveillance worried me much more than what he thought of Rosie O'Donnell. I would like to believe that the Constitution and the laws we currently have in place would prevent any of these things from actually happening, but not much has stopped the government from stomping on our civil liberties even now as we speak. :/

Awful civil rights suggestions aside, what concerns me even more is his stance on the environment, especially climate change. A president that not only rejects the notion that man-made climate change is a threat to the world at large but also promises to reverse the attempts made to address it is absolutely unacceptable. To me, it's akin to Obama saying that ISIS shouldn't be regarded as a national threat. Global warming is responsible for more deaths than terrorist attacks, yet somehow we just elected a person who routinely equates weather with climate to "prove" that it's a hoax and only acknowledges the problem when it affects his golf courses. Thanks to the results a few nights ago, Trump will have the power he needs to fulfill his dangerous promises. Unless someone changes his (and all the other politicians who continue to ignore this) mind, this already politically and economically difficult problem will get even harder to solve.
over 8 years

BaneofMafia says

[Yes, there is a failure of liberals to stereotype a Trump supporter. And condescension and insults have cost them dearly.

But how badly can you blame them?I mean plenty of racists, including the KKK do support Trump.



Trump does not choose his supporters and afaik has disavowed them completely. Hillary has taken 'donations' from countries that throw homosexuals of rooftops and put victims in prison.



Trump has said sexist remarks,



I won't defend his 'grab em by the youknowwhat' remark but it has been blown way out of proportion. Remember that Hillary has repeatedly intimidated and silenced the handful of women that came up with sexual assault allegations against her husband. To me, actions speak louder than words.



has a history of lawsuits from minorities, and imo has purposely tried to appealed to racists.



I'd like a source on the former and disagree entirely with the second remark. Care to explain?



Is this stuff all ignored by Trump supporters or did you choose the lesser of two evils? Or is Trump the ideal anti-establishment candidate?


I won't pretend that Trump is a perfect candidate but to me his shortcomings are nihil when compared to the shady stuff his opponent has done. My number 1 reason for supporting Donald has always been that he promises to rid the US government of corruption.
over 8 years
Re: but Clinton won the popular vote, this is unfair!

The goal of this election was to win the electoral college. He held dozens of rallies in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida, knew exactly how to target the voter demographics favorably to him, and won each of those states by less than 1%, ultimately securing his victory.

Be aware that states like Michigan and Ohio had a double digit swing from Democrat to Republican. A lot of these voters had voted Obama in '08 and '12 and were fed up with it. Trump promised these desillusioned people a change, which did a great job persuading them to vote for him.

If the goal had been to win the popular vote, he would have had a different campaign strategy presumably revolving around getting deep blue highly populated states, like California and New York to name a few, to get out and vote for him.

In the end, Trump's strategy was superior and I believe that if the election winner was determined by popular vote, he would have won that too.
over 8 years
mike pence is like THE establishment personified what in tae world if u voted d trump thinking u were going anti establishment u were so horribly misled
over 8 years

BaneofMafia says


ChefCrackhead says

Trump is not going to go full 1488 on people who aren't straight white males. If you actually believe he is the new H1tler, and that his entire voterbase consists of dumb homophobic racists, you are one of the reasons why he won.

Be aware that the same media that claimed from the beginning that Trump had zero chance to win, will now continuously spout how much of a terrible president he is in the next 4 years.

Give him a chance.




Yes, there is a failure of liberals to stereotype a Trump supporter. And condescension and insults have cost them dearly.

But how badly can you blame them? I mean plenty of racists, including the KKK do support Trump. Trump has said sexist remarks, has a history of lawsuits from minorities, and imo has purposely tried to appealed to racists. Is this stuff all ignored by Trump supporters or did you choose the lesser of two evils? Or is Trump the ideal anti-establishment candidate?


the "x support y so y = x" argument is literally stupid
over 8 years
assuming everyone who doesnt support trump is a liberal xD being stuck in binaries x___x what a failure to stereotype ppl who dislike donald turmp :/ trumps condescension and insults somehow didnt lose them the election, shame on those liberals for using similar rhetoric. :/

jill stein is the ideal anti establishment candidate where is cub to back me up on this
deletedover 8 years

ChefCrackhead says

Trump is not going to go full 1488 on people who aren't straight white males. If you actually believe he is the new H1tler, and that his entire voterbase consists of dumb homophobic racists, you are one of the reasons why he won.

Be aware that the same media that claimed from the beginning that Trump had zero chance to win, will now continuously spout how much of a terrible president he is in the next 4 years.

Give him a chance.




Yes, there is a failure of liberals to stereotype a Trump supporter. And condescension and insults have cost them dearly.

But how badly can you blame them? I mean plenty of racists, including the KKK do support Trump. Trump has said sexist remarks, has a history of lawsuits from minorities, and imo has purposely tried to appealed to racists. Is this stuff all ignored by Trump supporters or did you choose the lesser of two evils? Or is Trump the ideal anti-establishment candidate?
over 8 years

ChefCrackhead says

Trump is not going to go full 1488 on people who aren't straight white males. If you actually believe he is the new H1tler, and that his entire voterbase consists of dumb homophobic racists, you are one of the reasons why he won.

Be aware that the same media that claimed from the beginning that Trump had zero chance to win, will now continuously spout how much of a terrible president he is in the next 4 years.

Give him a chance.




lol no and also yes his voterbase mostly consists of dumb homophobic racists o: hows it feel being so wrong dude hows it feel knowing nothing will ever make u right except ur dumb homophobic racist friends saying yeh bro
over 8 years
Trump is not going to go full 1488 on people who aren't straight white males. If you actually believe he is the new H1tler, and that his entire voterbase consists of dumb homophobic racists, you are one of the reasons why he won.

Be aware that the same media that claimed from the beginning that Trump had zero chance to win, will now continuously spout how much of a terrible president he is in the next 4 years.

Give him a chance.
over 8 years
but i fr gotta go eat and then i have a test right after :'( pls wish me luck
over 8 years

cub says

pence has even less power than trump


this is technically true! but trump has no idea how to run a country and these two will be working together very closely. pence will be pulling most of the strings i am sure of it.

and then we gotta worry about if trump gets impeached which come on we all know this is a definite possibility cause hes a bumbling fool and then pence will be in power and then :( D: D: D:
over 8 years
pence has even less power than trump
over 8 years

cub says

so are you worried about trump or are you worried about a republican-controlled house and senate

those are different things


both! and mostly worried more about pence than trump