Epicmafia

Coming Together in America

deletedover 8 years

I know epicmafia isn't the best place for political discourse but this is the platform I have and I consider you friends enough to value your opinions and I want to hear your thoughts.

We have been blind. That's a fact. Liberals along with the media, celebrities, academics, polls have all had a skewed view that we live in a world where social values like political correctness, gender/sexuality equality, women's rights are not nearly as widely accepted as we thought. Whenever Trump supporters shouted "The media lies!" they weren't wrong. In their delusion, liberals espoused a champion that was simply a poor candidate to appeal to the working class.

On Tuesday, anyone who felt ostracized by an establishment that took their jobs, angered by corruption, and frowned upon political correctness joined the people with conservative values, christian values, along with (let's face it) vehement racists, and together formed a majority that elected Donald Trump as President of the United States.

Now, Clinton supporters are angry. Minorities are rightfully scared. Trump supporters are content but annoyed at the reaction. Some however are gloating unabashedly while others are taking it as vindication of violence against minorities.

Where do we go from here?

To the people that voted for Trump: Do you acknowledge Trump has made misogynist and sexist remarks? Are you okay with him representing us or do you wish it was someone else? Should Trump threaten immigrants, LGBTQ ppl, or muslims, will you stand by them or support that choice?

To the people that voted Clinton: Do you think Clinton would have been a progressive President? Do you think there was better candidate? What will you do for social progress in the next four years?

To the people that voted 3rd party: Do you regret you decision or stand by your conscience. What will you do for 3rd parties in the next 4 years?

To everyone: How do we reconcile our differences to avoid violence? How do we avoid having an election like this again?

What can we do to cumm together?

What will you do?

ceramic

over 8 years

cub trump's VP advocates for conversion therapy so yes he is not LGBT friendly.

HRC is just as dangerous as donald trump but in different ways. donald trump's administration will up the lives of citizens in this country. HRC would up the lives of citizens in foreign countries because imo she would get us stuck in a war (cause we already at war anyways y'all). donald trump poses a more immediate threat to the population (unless ur white n christian n male lol :P) HRC wouldnt be our glorious savior by any means but she at least wouldnt like, be trying to take away womens right to abortion lol.

cub

over 8 years

well muslim isnt a race so that problem is solved

that's also a broken divide

you can both support legal immigration and not deport illegal immigrants that are already in the us

i personally dont even see much of an issue with illegal immigration, they usually do more than their fair share in work and taxes regardless

the primary threat is muslim extremists and it's not an irrational fear when you look at its effects on the rest of the world and the climate these people are coming from

of course there are many actual refugees trying to escape conflict and among those there are many willing to accept liberal values, but hiding behind those people like human shields are the sort of terrible people we saw in cologne

the solution is very thorough background checks for immigrants from high risk areas, which i believe trump's comprehensive immigration policy actually calls for

deletedover 8 years

Sishen says

i think we should harness liberal tears as a renewable energy source

Is their suffering not real?

deletedover 8 years

cub says

as for lgbt rights, trump has never said anything against the lgbt community but has advocated acceptance several times and makes the common point that discrimination is bad for business

does that make him a hypocrite based on his immigration policies? yes, talk about that instead

Trump may not be personally against the LGBTQ community but he is surrounded by Republicans who are. Republicans who now control the House, Senate and soon the Supreme Court. This is at the very least a stagnation in LGBTQ rights and at worst an actual threat to them.

Immigration is a huge reason he won. It seems the divide lies between people who want to let in only legal immigrants and non-refugees and people who believe it is wrong to deport illegal immigrants and racist to turn away refugees because they are Muslim. How can we reconcile these differences?

cub

over 8 years

next time my internet goes out im blaming trump

gameshowmaster

over 8 years

We can't protest now. That only makes us seem like sore losers. When they start trying to take our rights away, then we can fight.

cub

over 8 years

all of these are reasons trump won

you've all ignored the real issues with his candidacy

cub

over 8 years

as for refugees, germany and france are clear indicators of the very real threat hiding behind actual refugees and their national security has suffered as a result

mexicans are not a threat to national security, don't conflate them with muslim extremists hiding amongst refugees

Sishen

over 8 years

i think we should harness liberal tears as a renewable energy source

cub

over 8 years

as for lgbt rights, trump has never said anything against the lgbt community but has advocated acceptance several times and makes the common point that discrimination is bad for business

does that make him a hypocrite based on his immigration policies? yes, talk about that instead

cub

over 8 years

gender/sexuality equality, women's rights are not nearly as widely accepted as we thought

youre talking about america, one of the absolute most progressive countries in the world where boys are still circumcised and men dont get to see their children

trump has made chauvinist remarks, not misogynistic. people who pretend that just because some guy is a buffoon that makes him a sexist is a big reason why trump won, because people are tired of pc outrage and trump doesnt pretend to be classy

this is the absolute worst thing you can criticize trump on

you know his economic policies flirt with tanking the world economy and he's advocated bombing civilians, right? but he's crude and that's more important to you

Platypops

over 8 years

I fully expect this to be the election that makes the electoral college vanish

deletedover 8 years

Well

I've been very anti-trump, not just because of his policies but because this makes precedent that it's okay to act like he does on social media and at political debates to be rude and immature. But he's still such a wildcard that every minority has a right to be scared; we have no idea where our country may go in the 4 years, and while most of them will likely end up be unaffected no one wants to be that scapegoat.

He's going to be president. There's no doubt about that. Protesting will get nothing done, trying to work together to achieve more will.

I'm willing to go into his presidency with an open mind, and a hopeful heart, as he may actually make America great 'again'.

I still do give all my hopes that there won't be any discrimination towards entire groups of peoples throughout the next few years, and wishful thinking right now is all I can do.

deletedover 8 years

Blessings.