talk about your favorite personas and characters, but do not talk about how adachi is the killer.
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can you visit mementos without wasting time? if so i'd have been on that .
also ftr i didn't post any p5 confidants since i haven't finished any. i'm at rank 9 with chariot though and it's probably going to end stronger than chie's.
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I did hard mode without a guide and I'm still 2 dungeons short of finishing the game but I did beat Mementos, which might literally my favorite part of the game. You seriously missed out, imo. A ton of bonus story goes on in there.
Also I am of the opinion that guides ruin these games.
justice: p5* just kidding i understand why most people hate goro
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also
fool: who cares magician: p3 priestess: p3 empress: p3 emperor: p4 hierophant: p4 lovers: p3 chariot: p4 justice: p4 hermit: p3 fortune: p4 strength: p3 hanged man: p3 death: p4 temperance: p4 devil: i would give it to p4 but the early segments where it's "implied" she's doing something """Naughty""" are still so weird and out of place for me that they ruin the rest of it. F. anyway p3 tower: p3 star: p3 moon: p4 sun: p3 aeon: i don't even want to funk aigis but it's still a good link
Remember: This May Just Be Opinions.
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thoughts:
- madarame's palace was mega easy and i'm grateful. doing all of kamoshida's palace in one day made me wanna slit my wrists
- yusuke is a weird guy. i mean i like him, but some of his jokes feel like an eastern society joke/gag that i don't catch onto so it's just awkward. also goemon sucks compared to everyone else so i'm benching him.
- god bless the chariot arcana in this game, it's so good
- ann is cute but i don't really get her social link. i'm probably gonna date [REDACTED] (it's obvious who i'm referring to but for the sake of spoilers i won't say)
-i've literally never been to mementos since the tutorial for it
- physical builds in this game are just really useful in general. resisting any physical attack makes all minibosses/bosses a nonissue.
anyway if i forgot to mention i'm doing a max confidant hard mode run and i'm already ahead of this guide. every single time i've done a persona max run the guide always has some mistake that lets me skip way ahead of it. smh.
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I don't think it's so much that I didn't get it as much as I don't respect it. The "point" is just as cheesy and unrealistic as the whole "We shoot ourselves in the heads to use our superpowers because that's DARK" thing was in my opinion.
Big fan of 4 and 5. I think 3s story is pretty indefensible. It's every B monster slayer anime/movie ever.
It's not sad or dark because it's unrealistic and over-the-top
Persona 4 spoilers follow:
Yosuke watching his crush hang? I relate to that. Realistic.
Teddie, a character who is just comic relief the majority of the game, dealing with an existential crisis as he fights to destroy the shadows even though he himself is one? That's pretty well-written. They did a lot more with their mascot character than they had to. Realistic.
And adachi? Much darker than anything in Persona 3, because Adachi's story is grounded in reality. Adachi's motivation is identical to Takaya and Jin except realistic. He doesn't understand why the players are so fixated on what he did wrong, and he became a detective so he could carry a gun. He wants to herald the dawn of the shadow world because: "I like it here. it's like I'm the king of the world, and those shadows just leave me be" Adachi is a realistic character.
And my very favorite thing about Adachi is the ultimate point he hammers home: You can't save everyone. Adachi is beyond saving. If you try to save Adachi, everyone loses. The game ends in a much darker scene than anything in Persona 3 if you choose this route, with even darker subtext. That's a pretty god dam.ned realistic moral.
While both Persona 3 and Persona 4 are hyper-stylistic japanese super power JRPGs and thus inherently not realistic, Persona 4 has realistic characters. Persona 3 most certainly did not, aside from maybe Chidori. What exactly were Takaya and Jin suffering from? Jin had like 4 lines in the game.
I guess you did specify "human villain" but those who brought about Nyx still count, and dismissing Nyx as an antagonist on the basis of not being human is still pretty silly.
The Social Links in Persona 3 I think are rather heavyhanded and predictable; often this takes away from their message, but the way they tie together into the larger game is really excellent. All deal with the characters pondering fate, future, and struggling to come to terms with their roles in life.
This does result in a lot of onedimensionality that I didn't enjoy, and so far I've enjoyed Persona 4's characters a lot more for their depth. That said, Persona 3 isn't dark" was just silly, as is incorrectly identifying Takaya & Jin as primary antagonists and misunderstanding their motivations. I think you missed the point of the game entirely.
P3 Spoilers Ahead You completely missed the point of the game. Takaya & Jin, who you're referring to, were not primary antagonists but secondary ones. The primary antagonist is the hidden, mysterious "Shadows" whose true nature is only revealed in the final month of the game.
The real antagonist is Nyx, the embodiment of death, the lingering specter hanging over the entire game. Further, it was brought about not to give meaning to those that precipitated the Fall but instead by those who believed that humanity was doomed to suffer, Ikutsuki & Mitsuru's grandfather. They weren't doing it with the intent of gaining powers, they were doing it with the legitimate intent of ending humanity based on an anti-natalist philosophy.
Takaya and Jin also underwent a profound change in motivation. Their original intent was to maintain the Dark Hour, and therefore fight SEES, to feel as though they had purpose, but they didn't understand what was actually happening. When they learned of Nyx and the inevitable end of the world they instead embraced it as freedom from the lives of suffering they've endured, and their motivation becomes simply to bear witness to the end themselves. This is because they knew there was no stopping the end. They themselves were victims.
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So edgy and dark. Between that, female batman, the unashamed plotholes, the very strange "I must shoot myself in the head to use my superpowers" thing, and the motivation of every human villain except Chidori (who was pretty well-written when compared to 99.5% of the cast) being literally "Nyah ha-ha, I will not give up my superpowers, even if the whole world dies so I can keep them for an extra hour" how could I not love it?
The only thing Persona 3 does better than Persona 4 or 5 are the Devil and Tower social links
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hahahahahaha ark is still here and downvoted this topic because i called him out for calling rondar a sand n word
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that and persona 4 has a pretty obnoxiously happy ending as opposed to persona 3's bittersweet one
nevermoe is a pretty god awful theme for the game to end on tbh. kimi no kioku isn't amazing but at least i didn't have to mute it out of sheer embarrassment.
anyway let's all talk about devil survivor and how demon of darkness is a cool theme that has no right to be as catchy as it is
The key plotpoint of Persona 3 is literally that the collective will of humanity is yearning for death. Not just that it's coming, but that extinction is literally the will of the entire human race, and that they all want it to end.
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I played golden so I used him and just turned off his bear suit so he looked like a normal person.
It sucks that you don't like Persona 4 though. It does such an amazing job of establishing anime tropes and then undermining them, even if you don't like the fighting parts.
"This is a problem. Why didn't you bring the rest of them? You're such a party pooper. Couldn't even bring your wannabe detective friend? Why are you here? To... change my mind? Don't kid yourself. Your whole gang should be here, you know. Work together, beat the bad guy. Friendship, effort, victory... You guys love that stuff! Just what was it about me that made you want to believe in me so badly? Well? I don't have anything to say to you. If crimes could be solved by human decency, we wouldn't need the police. The version of me you believed in only existed in your head. You decided on your own to believe in me, and that decision is what betrayed you. Why complain about it to me? You say the dumbest sh*t. It's people like you who come to me alone thinking you can save me that p*ss me off the most. What do you think will happen if I shoot you?"
In light of recently ending an awful unhealthy relationship where I got cheated on, I appreciate the way Persona 4 establishes such a hopeful and optimistic world and then slowly dismantles it even more than I did before.
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i honestly wanted a reason to like him in my first playthrough because i didn't like yukiko for some reason and even tried using him, but the squeaking footsteps thing and just like... id unno, general annoyingness bothered me.
now i am an adult who uses chie/kanji/naoto and plays on hard mode
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Well one there is the bear jokes, and 2 if he were a 30 year old man instead of a shadow his character is the creepiest thing in the world. So that's defensible. But I forgave Teddie for his ending, which even in the 2 happy endings is pretty gosh darned sad
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i tried very hard to like teddie but good christ i never can. something about him irks my soul.
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I actually like Teddie better as a character but I see where you are coming from here. It's hard to look past those incessant bear puns (though they grew on me eventually, just by the sheer consistency of it)
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That blows my mind. I couldn't stand Persona 3's cast from the very start. They're literally all a trope by design. You have sassy hot girl, slacker friend who can't quite keep up, female batman (this is literally what mitsuru is.), a dog that doesn't speak, a robot that you can romance but she doesn't have private parts, and a little kid out of his element who may or may not betray the team.
There's really nothing at all about the cast of Persona 3 that makes them stand out. Persona 4 had some characters that grated my nerves, but I forgave it for the characters I liked.
Persona 5 blows Persona 3 out of the water in terms of cast that upon completing it I think you'll realize how completely Persona 3 pales. The only character I didn't relate to was Yusuke, and even he made me crack a smile sometimes.
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persona 5 is cool because they won't shut the heck up about being phantom thieves and how cool it is to have super powers and gosh dang if that isn't how i'd have reacted in high school.
also morgana > teddie
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Different strokes different folks I guess. Persona 3 read like a B monster slayer anime to me, whereas Persona 4 might be the only well done murder mystery game of all time.
I hope we can at least agree that Persona 5 objectively blows both out of the water in terms of actual gameplay, and it's at least close to 4 in terms of story (though I haven't beaten it.)
There's not a character that I really love like Adachi, but I dig the other characters like Ryuji and Makoto enough that it makes up for it.
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oh and p3's cast is more engaging and real to me than p4's. like i actually had difficulty picking who to use in p3 meanwhile p4 was just like "who doesn't annoy the living crap out of me at this point"
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honestly you can tell me persona 3 was poorly written and whether or not your right probably won't matter to me because it made me feel emotions
also it was unfun juggling social links with exploring vs. balancing it depending on my mood (i.e. i can't do both in p4 meanwhile i can do light exploring and mostly socializing or vice versa). the changes they did to exploring also felt like the actual gameplay of the game was tedious as opposed to fun. like i'm way more OK with forgettable enemy encounters with engaging/difficult boss encounters as opposed to consistently annoying enemies with resource management that doesn't work as well as it wants to.
fwiw i hate the game but it's still probably a 3/5. and i've done a max s.link run of the game + a casual one (not in that order obviously) and i just didn't enjoy it either time. i've always disliked how long it feels like it takes for the game to get going (for me it actually picks up around kanji's dungeon, more or less).
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Persona 3 was poorly written though.
And I don't think it was unfun, I think it was a lot more subtle. It's an awful world hidden behind japanese-trope-land
What specifically was unfun?
Naoto and Kenji are god awful characters, Yu is a bit of a schmuck, and Chiye acts more like she's in seventh grade than high school
But the actual gameplay was exactly the same as Persona 3 except improved, and the writing was incomparably better.
I think maybe you explored the wrong parts of the game. It's in the nature of a game like this that you can't see it all if you have a life to live. Doujima, Nanako, Yosuke, Adachi, and the ending where Yu sides with Adachi are all extremely well written in my opinion.
It's weird to me that you liked 4 but not 5. I loved both, and I'd probably have a lot more to say about 5 if it came out a little earlier or later than it did.
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