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N1 Vig in Reverse Maf is optimal.

deletedabout 7 years

There is an EXTREMELY popular opinion that n1 vig is a noob/idiotic move.

Firstly, this is based on the actual truth that all noobs are going to n1 as vig and that (due to this popular peer pressured opinion) most experienced players will kill no one n1 as vig. The issue is that just because all noobs would do it and most experienced players wouldn't doesn't, in itself, prove that the majority who no-kill are in the right.

I will now prove why the minority of experienced players who do n1 as vig are not idiotic gamblers but wise gamblers: There are 10 players overall. 6 of them are ones you want to kill n1 (traitors+fool). Note that it is actually a 66.67% shot you are taking and not a 60% shot because you know you yourself are not one of the 6 and therefore it'a a 6/9 shot in the dark and not a 6/10).

The argument that you can n1 stalker and unrank the game (which is a 11.11% chance) or that you can kill the masoned player and/or the same as stalker both which hurt town is just not how you should analyse a gamble. You don't think "oh no this can go wrong so therefore it's unwise" you should think which is more likely; it going right or wrong and use this combined with the extent of profit in deciding to go for it or not. In reality killing off a mason isn't too bad n1 unless the stalker kills the other one too. The only person you could kill n1 who really will impact your chances of winning negatively by a huge percentage is the tracker as you now have heavily nerfed the information with which the masons can operate AROUND the possibility of masoning the stalker.

So, in reality, the stalker and the tracker are the only game-hampering kills you could make n1 and since you can still win easily-enough with tracker dead (especially with the skill level of most reverse maf players being hella low) you are only really needing to fear killing the stalker n1 or the same as the stalker kills which all in all is a 22.22% chance of failure in your shot.

So, taking ALL ANGLES of thinking into your frame of mind, n1ing as the vig is pretty much either helping you or not mattering too much 77.88% of the time.

Endorphins
about 7 years

Leeroyy says

I would agree shooting n1 is optimal but only if traitors are actively trying to find who is town and get them killed.

In a lobby of traitors that sit back and just wait to get masoned without helping mafside find the town, shoot ing traitors doesn't benefit the town and increases the risk of mismasoning onto stalker.
Also in this scenario of lazy traitors, town can easily win from tracker obtaining reports and vig waiting patiently for the right shot to be seen, and masons do their thing. I think shooting n1 to only kill a traitor doesn't add much valuable advantages to the town to be worth the 22.22% chance of hitting traitor/fool.


hahahahaha at this
deletedabout 7 years
If you can prove you're r*tarded with like a certificate or something, or by printing this thread, the bullies will have to leave you alone or their girlfriends will stop sucking them off for picking on a r*tard. It's the optimal strategy here.
Shamzy
about 7 years

UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

Do you think I will fear you soon? How do you plan to make me afraid?


Whether or not you fear me, you will act as if you do and show respect to me regardless of whether you feel it or not.

You don't have any power over the 'real mods' of this site so stop pretending you do. Intimidating a user to not report you as you are a f***ing role mod is not just filthy but pathetic due to the mod-type you are.


You see this Recidividjisdsfsdjnsm??

Quality. Don't f*ck with this guy, punk.
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

lacey says


UnknownGangster says


lacey says

and then did the mayor give you a key to the city for your upstanding work


No, you don't get that when you're high school age.


when are you graduating so you can get it?


I'm an adult now and paid for colors and other things here with my own card/cash. Thanks for your questions but you make a bad troll and a worse detective into my real life age and identity.
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

Recidivism says

Do you think I will fear you soon? How do you plan to make me afraid?


Whether or not you fear me, you will act as if you do and show respect to me regardless of whether you feel it or not.

You don't have any power over the 'real mods' of this site so stop pretending you do. Intimidating a user to not report you as you are a f***ing role mod is not just filthy but pathetic due to the mod-type you are.
deletedabout 7 years

UnknownGangster says


lacey says

and then did the mayor give you a key to the city for your upstanding work


No, you don't get that when you're high school age.


when are you graduating so you can get it?
deletedabout 7 years
Do you think I will fear you soon? How do you plan to make me afraid?
deletedabout 7 years

Recidivism says


lacey says

i came to ask why this guy wrote a page long analysis on the optimal play for a pointfarm setup, but then i read his comments where he was unironically proud of being a hall monitor and, suddenly, it all made sense


Good post lacey, here is my stamp of approval, it's my favorite emoji

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


this is all i've ever wanted in life
deletedabout 7 years

lacey says

i came to ask why this guy wrote a page long analysis on the optimal play for a pointfarm setup, but then i read his comments where he was unironically proud of being a hall monitor and, suddenly, it all made sense


Good post lacey, here is my stamp of approval, it's my favorite emoji

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

Recidivism says

I don't think they feared you. I think they thought you were a loser and a snitch.


They did think both. They also feared me.
deletedabout 7 years
I don't think they feared you. I think they thought you were a loser and a snitch.
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

lacey says


UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

After that post, you might as well be wearing a flashing neon sign around your neck saying "I got bullied in high school"


I did get bullied in high school. I also put each and every bully in their place, even getting one eventually expelled from the school by helping the teachers catch him with weed on him.


and then did the mayor give you a key to the city for your upstanding work


No, you don't get that when you're high school age.
deletedabout 7 years
i came to ask why this guy wrote a page long analysis on the optimal play for a pointfarm setup, but then i read his comments where he was unironically proud of being a hall monitor and, suddenly, it all made sense
deletedabout 7 years
careful guys. if you keep cyber bullying unknowngangster, he's going to have lucid catch you with weed and ban you.
deletedabout 7 years

UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says


UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

Are you going to make epicmafia hell for me?


If you keep at it, you will not just end up demodded and by the way role moderators are the most pathetic form of mod there is, Even more pathetic than lobby-mods of lobbies that only 10 people use you are even less useful than them to the site you only moderate role descriptions and mechanics which are the least likely way a troll will troll.

You're a spelling and grammar checker of role descriptions, you are not important here and will be demodded from the most useless mod role if you keep at whatever 'this' is.


Nooooooo! Please don't get me demodded! I'm the most important one!!!!!!


As I just explained, you're among the most useless ones.


Please, I thrive of moderating the roles, it's all I have! I love this job!
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

Recidivism says


UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

After that post, you might as well be wearing a flashing neon sign around your neck saying "I got bullied in high school"


I did get bullied in high school. I also put each and every bully in their place, even getting one eventually expelled from the school by helping the teachers catch him with weed on him.


Sounds like your classmates loved you


If they didn't love me they feared me soon enough and that's exactly how I wanted it.
deletedabout 7 years

UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

After that post, you might as well be wearing a flashing neon sign around your neck saying "I got bullied in high school"


I did get bullied in high school. I also put each and every bully in their place, even getting one eventually expelled from the school by helping the teachers catch him with weed on him.


Sounds like your classmates loved you
deletedabout 7 years

UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

After that post, you might as well be wearing a flashing neon sign around your neck saying "I got bullied in high school"


I did get bullied in high school. I also put each and every bully in their place, even getting one eventually expelled from the school by helping the teachers catch him with weed on him.


and then did the mayor give you a key to the city for your upstanding work
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

Recidivism says


UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

Are you going to make epicmafia hell for me?


If you keep at it, you will not just end up demodded and by the way role moderators are the most pathetic form of mod there is, Even more pathetic than lobby-mods of lobbies that only 10 people use you are even less useful than them to the site you only moderate role descriptions and mechanics which are the least likely way a troll will troll.

You're a spelling and grammar checker of role descriptions, you are not important here and will be demodded from the most useless mod role if you keep at whatever 'this' is.


Nooooooo! Please don't get me demodded! I'm the most important one!!!!!!


As I just explained, you're among the most useless ones.
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

Recidivism says

After that post, you might as well be wearing a flashing neon sign around your neck saying "I got bullied in high school"


I did get bullied in high school. I also put each and every bully in their place, even getting one eventually expelled from the school by helping the teachers catch him with weed on him.
deletedabout 7 years

UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

Are you going to make epicmafia hell for me?


If you keep at it, you will not just end up demodded and by the way role moderators are the most pathetic form of mod there is, Even more pathetic than lobby-mods of lobbies that only 10 people use you are even less useful than them to the site you only moderate role descriptions and mechanics which are the least likely way a troll will troll.

You're a spelling and grammar checker of role descriptions, you are not important here and will be demodded from the most useless mod role if you keep at whatever 'this' is.


Nooooooo! Please don't get me demodded! I'm the most important one!!!!!!
deletedabout 7 years

UnknownGangster says


Recidivism says

It's hard to cower before someone locked in a locker


It's easy to cower before someone who has both the teachers and your former victims on his side as he makes you pss yourself begging him to stop making everyday of school hell for you.


This is going in my favorite posts thread
deletedabout 7 years

yeasayer says

it's 2017


fancy seeing you in this messy thread
UnknownGangster
about 7 years

Recidivism says

Are you going to make epicmafia hell for me?


If you keep at it, you will not just end up demodded and by the way role moderators are the most pathetic form of mod there is, Even more pathetic than lobby-mods of lobbies that only 10 people use you are even less useful than them to the site you only moderate role descriptions and mechanics which are the least likely way a troll will troll.

You're a spelling and grammar checker of role descriptions, you are not important here and will be demodded from the most useless mod role if you keep at whatever 'this' is.
deletedabout 7 years

Recidivism says

This is the best thread epicmafia has had in months


god you're right